we did join Zionist organisations because we were fully aware, that unless we had a country of our own, if it ever appear, the situation would re-appear and we would still be alive, we would have somewhere to go. Because we were only too conscious of the fact that nobody had wanted us. The Americans had wanted affidavits, and all sorts of visas which came far too late. And, well, the fact was, nobody wanted us. And even if you had gone to France or Belgium or Holland, the Germans had caught up with you in any case. Switzerland would only have you if you were a millionaire. And there weren’t many of those. And Israel, don’t forget was, was prohibited area. The British government decided to stop all immigration as a result of the Arab revolt of 1936, ’35, ‘36 to ’38. And that was closed completely.