When I was three, we left Cologne and I remember going in a plane from Cologne to Chemnitz and this plane had, you sat opposite one another, you know a tiny plane and I remember distinctly when we lived in a small place outside Chemnitz and then went to Holland when I was five years old, for six months because his business took him over there then we came back to Chemnitz. They [my mother’s older brothers] all lived in Cologne … but her oldest brother left for America. He married Metro Louis B Mayer’s sister in America, Metro Goldwin Mayer. The other brothers were all supposed to go to America they had visas, when war broke but they didn’t get there. They all went to Theresienstadt.